My pup loves these, but we use them with the yellow forms for the round toy. We put puppy patte on the bottom then one of these in the middle and freeze it- then put it in the round toy with the dental toy sticking out of the middle- this makes it harder for them to finish and we only use 1 at a time instead of 2 each time with the dental toy. (And using 2 in the dental toy takes less time to finish)